"Hook Suspension - The Tecnique and Eroticism"
Speakers: `Viking and Melanie`V
March 29, 1998
http://www.insex.com

A WARNING: This discussion is NOT a "how to", we feel that this falls into the "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME" safety catagory, it's sole purpose is to enlighten, as Melanie and Viking share their thoughts and feelings. We thank Viking and Melanie for kindly agreeing to this discussion and sharing themselves openly with us. The "ADULT ONLY" policy of #submission_discuss as always applies.

TheKttN: Viking and Melanie, a real life S/m couple will be explaining their feelings, on both the emotional, oft time spiritual and technical level of suspension done with hooks through her flesh. Viking and Melanie have done live demonstrations of this HIGHLY SPECIALIZED suspension tecnique at "Hellfire" in New York City and will be releasing a video to be sold through the WEB soon.

TheKttN: The topic they will be speaking on is: "Hook Suspension - The Tecnique and Eroticism"

Melanie`V waves

Melanie`V: I'm going to play a poem of Viking's before we start

`Viking does the Dominant Nod thing :)

Melanie`V: My World

Placing the sharpened point against your skin,...
your soft, beautiful, milky white skin.
Slowly applying pressure, watching your face.
The point breaks your skin,.. a single drop of blood.
Seeing the pain in your eyes, the grimace of your face.
Slow and steadily passing the point through.
Feeling the layers of muscle part before it.
Watching the cone effect on the exit.
Slowly, maliciously dancing the point in and out,..
turning it,... twisting it,.. applying pressure yet again.
Watching as the skin rises further, maxing the elasticity.
The point breaks through, the skin slowly slides down.
Forming itself around the blood stained steel.
Looking into your eyes,.. tears begin to flow.
Leaning into you, I whisper, "This is ecstacy".
"Now true pain begins, for what comes next will buckle your knees,
make you cry out,.. make you scream. "
"It will take you from this world and into a place I created"
"A place just for you"
When you come back to this world, and become aware,
You will find yourself in my arms, held safe and secure.
From that point on,.. you will no longer be alone.
You will be a part of something,...
Something fantastic...
You will have shared in my dream,..
And that will have made us one.

Melanie`V: Michael - 1.18.97

Who we are:

Viking: Simply put, I am a Sadist, first and foremost. Although I am a natural Dominant, I would much rather immerse myself in the Sadism aspect of BDSM. Some would say that my being a Sadist is a result of my upbringing as a child. Something horrific must have happened to me, to make me want to hurt people.

Perhaps I was abused as a child.. Perhaps neglected in some way, and by bringing pain onto someone, it brings me something that I was missing when growing up. Well, the fact of the matter is, I wasn't abused when I was a child. Aside from the standard grounding from my parents.. or the occasional slap on the ass, face, as most children recieve, my childhood was no different. I enjoy Sadism, as NON-SADISTS enjoy their aspect of BDSM.

Melanie'V: I'm not a Sadist, I just live with one. I'm a switch. The S/m is not my favorite aspect of BDSM, however, I've grown to enjoy it more. I'm basically in training as a Domme and a sub by Viking. So overall, I was Sadist's assistant...until Jan 1, 1998.

While watching Viking and one of his subs do a hook scene, I decided to try a hook to see what it felt like. At first I was disgusted by the way it felt in my skin, how he tugged at the hook. But after that night I would think on it and remember the feeling of it, and became an addict to the thought of the hooks. So I moved from assistant to hook addict. I have to point out

I am NOT a masochist.

What we do:

Viking: What I do, is give pain. In mass amounts. I am limited in my capacity to deliver pain only by LAWS in effect today. There is nothing I wont attempt, given the power to do so. Your flesh, to me, is as the canvas an artist uses to paint on. The screams and suffering and tears, are the highlights.

I cover all aspects of Pain. Flesh cutting, piercings, floggings, whips, bites and more. You only need say yes to me, or rather, "Yes, Michael". Those two words, will unleash the beast and your suffering will begin. I want you to understand that I am not limited to only this method of BDSM. I enjoy all aspects of this lifestyle. I encorporate ALL the different factions. I simply enjoy this best.

Melanie'V: I take SOME of Viking's pain...mainly the hooks, which I tend to have a craving for. If someone else is submitting to Viking, I help him. I set up equipment, watch the submissive, do the errand running...etc.

When I'm the one getting the pain, I simply focus on the hooks. I don't take floggings well, however, the hooks are totally different. I haven't done hooks on anyone else as of yet, but I'm wanting to. To be on the other side of the needles, hooks and ropes. I do needle play, and have helped in a hook scene but I definitely want to insert hooks on someone else (any volunteers??).

What we speciali ze in:

Viking: Flesh hooks and suspension with said hooks. I have been working on this for about 2 years now. I have searched for someone who would venture into this area with me for over a year BEFORE I began to play in this realm. So, in total, I have done this for about 3 years now. The process for this type of play is slow.

The person recieving has to be introduced to this type of play. This is the most dif. part of this type of play. Not many people wish to have hooks pushed through their skin. There is a psychological aspect of that scenario that simply makes people run the other way (I wonder why that is <grin>), and understandably so. This is far different than a simple needle being pushed through a persons skin.

People don't see the resemblence. What they see is a hook. That alone, is enough to conjure up extreme thoughts. The act of pushing a needle through a persons skin.. or a hook are the same.

The feelings are the same (to a degree). What changes here is what happens AFTER the hooks get placed into the skin.

Melanie'V: What can I say, I don't specialize in a singe thing. I simply like something that most people won't try. I like the feeling of the hooks pulling my flesh tight, the almost cutting feeling of the steel as Viking pulls on the ropes, the fear that the hooks will not hold, & the burning in my muscles from balancing myself on my toes.

I take Viking's pain that he chooses to give me with the hooks, and my goal is to not have my feet on the ground in the end.

`Viking shivers (I do that????) what am I nuts? lol

Melanie`V: lol

Suthrnldy: Okay folks...we'll be taking a question (?) and comment (!) queue now....if you want to ask something or merely make a comment, pls type either ? or ! ...your name will be put in Q and then called upon (GA) when it is your turn...PLEASE remember to NOT speak out of turn until we open the floor to discussion at the END of the evening....thanks bunches folks :o)

fireNdark nudges Viking "ahuh"

`Viking: lol

StrictCyb: !Obviously this is not something to try after just hearing the typed description of the procedure

Suthrnldy: again, PLEASE don't speak out of turn....if you wish to be put in Q, type ? or !

Suthrnldy: Chaos...GA pls

Chaosmstr: How many hooks are used, generally?

Melanie`V: lol Chaos, so far 6

Chaosmstr: would more let you get off the ground entirely, or do you want to do that with just the 6?

Melanie`V: no not with just the six

Chaosmstr: ok.. I'm done

Melanie`V: he's looking for a minimum of 13-14 hooks

Melanie`V: done

Suthrnldy: GA poenkttn

poenkitn: what is the maximum weight you would recommend for this

ProvokeMe: ?

`Viking: I have a weight limit of about 125 to 135 pounds

poenkitn: whew! thank you

Suthrnldy breathes a sigh of relief!!!!

Raven^ smiles

cfish{V}: LOL

`Viking: anymore and I run the risk of tearing flesh/muscles.. My aim is to use as few hooks as possible

Suthrnldy: thank GOD for being overweight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tanarria: lol....that lets me off the hook, too ;)

Raven^ isn't a candidate

Suthrnldy: woops :x

`Viking: that doesnt mean that IT can not be done to a woman who weighs more

`Viking: done

margaret_: A few more hooks and you could probably up the weight limit significantly.

ProvokeMe: Please folks.... keep the comments down...

Suthrnldy: GA Laz

LLazarus: What sort of hooks do you use and what sort of prep do you need to do to them and to the skin area beforehand for health. Where might one purchase needles or hooks for this..

Melanie`V: actually we are used to total chaos so we dont mind the comments (just being honest)

Melanie`V: we use fish hooks, with the barbs removed

Melanie`V: I'm a nurse, so heck yeah he cleanses the skin

Melanie`V: or I would attempt to hurt him LOL

LLazarus: LOL

LLazarus: Also what about placement of the hooks and the rope how is it done so that you can lift is she put into a Y'd harness of rope.?

Melanie`V: needles we purchase from a piercing company, in individual sterile packs

Suthrnldy: I want to make a note here....the pictures of the hook suspension is on the URL *pointing to topic*

Melanie`V: the hooks, Walmart or Caldor, or a bait shop, barbs must be removed, andthen he smooths the metal

`Viking: LLazarus the only points of attatchment are the hooks.. with the ropes attatched to them.. there is no harness for support.. your skin..my hooks.. our fun :)

`Viking: done

LLazarus: Done

Suthrnldy: GA ssolara

ssolara: Hi Melanie and Viking* I'm wondering what, if any warm-up you do in scene prior to beginning the hooks. How long does a typical scene last?

Melanie`V: I was hoping for that question

Melanie`V: he flogs me to warm up..otherwise I do NOT reach subspace, ....ever

Melanie`V: so there is no true warmup

Melanie`V: and a typical scene can last 45 minutes to 3 hours

Melanie`V: depends on how long he wants me on my toes

`Viking: She feels everyone of my needles... and hooks.. (the way I like it best)

Melanie`V: done

Suthrnldy: GA kimi

kimi`^: on the hooks for Melanie are they all on the what part of her back??? and Melanie...do you reach subspace everytime?

Melanie`V: I have never reached subspace

Melanie`V: ever

Melanie`V: midline on each side of the back, although we've varied on that

`Viking: I choose dif. areas of her back depending on what I plan to do with her at that time

Chaosmstr: warmup with a flogging would still be one because of the endorpin release.. I would think. Warms the skin, loosens the muscles.. prepares the mind for aceptance of more pain. at least, I would think this would be the case.

Melanie`V: Chaos, I hate floggings

Melanie`V: it's more of a thing to drive me insane and hear me growl

Melanie`V: floggings hurt me more than the hooks :o)

Melanie`V: I'm abnormal

Chaosmstr: like it or not, it wold still achieve the same things.. or does it not?

Melanie`V: not at all, I can take the hooks straight off or after a flogging

Melanie`V: either way is about the same

Chaosmstr: ok. I'm done

Melanie`V: btw, I have to correct, I don't HATE floggings, I simply can't take what he can dish out

MichaelW makes a note - and Viking can dish out a LOT :)

Suthrnldy: GA poenkitn :o)

poenkitn: what is your average healing time Melanie, and what do you do to facilitate it and prepare in advance

Melanie`V: average time is two weeks between hooks

Melanie`V: however I'm currently taking a month off from what you can see on the webpage to let all the marks heal and I use alot of Vit E/aloe lotion that's basically it

`Viking: I rarely do hooks scenes to the same person two weeks ina row.. the skin just doesnt have enough time to heal...

poenkitn nods Done

Melanie`V: other than using the antibacterial ointment at the time of insertion

Melanie`V: done

`Viking: so.. I skip a week or two in between.

`Viking: done

Suthrnldy: alrighty...my turn :o)

Suthrnldy: i just gotta know...what is your vocal response when he's doing this???

`Viking laughs..

Melanie`V: depends LOL

Suthrnldy: go ahead...y'all laugh now :o) comic relief *g*

Melanie`V: sometimes I moan, sometimes you won't hear a thing, sometimes I yell fuck <g>

`Viking: well.. when thos pics on the web site were taken..two weeks ago.. she had a crying/drooling/runny nose thing going on.. all that coupled along with soem interesting choice words

Suthrnldy: i think i'd be saying fuck a LOT

`Viking: done

Suthrnldy: wait

Melanie`V: but only when he's putting in the needles

Suthrnldy: did you clean her face or let the nose thingy go?

Melanie`V: when he pulls the skin/hooks I moan alot

tanarria: roflmao

Melanie`V: lolol

fireNdark: smack her Mel...g'head

fireNdark: ROFL

Melanie`V: hey The Sadist cleaned my nose once

Suthrnldy shrugs....y'all wanted to know!

Suthrnldy: kewl...i'm impressed, Viking ;)

`Viking: I let it go for a bit.. then I cleaned it..(I have to kiss the woman.. I dont want to taste her runnies)

Suthrnldy: DONE

`Viking: done

Melanie`V: done

Suthrnldy: GA kimi

Melanie`V: rofl

Melanie`V: runnies....hehe

kimi`^: i am wondering if Viking can explain what he gets from this....i realize the Mel craves this..that she likes it...but what of YOU..other than the satisfaction of causing pain...is there more to this?

Suthrnldy sends smoochies to Viking and Mel

Chaosmstr: ! for kimi

`Viking: kimi,.. I enjoy this aspect of BDSM. I get "wet".. erect. I get ideas running through my head.. (I sorta have this sub space thing going on as well). I enjoy Sadism.. as a Bondage freak enjoys his/her aspect.

`Viking: done

Melanie`V: he gets excited hearing me scream LOL

`Viking: heh.. the scream.. the tears.. and the whimpers.. drive me nuts

`Viking: done

Melanie`V: I'm done

Suthrnldy: GA PM.....after tiny we will hold Que till next ?/! time

Suthrnldy: GA PM

Raven^ smiles pondering

Melanie`V: he's usually later than we are

ProvokeMe: Have you ever had an occasion where the hook tore through the skin? if so... how many times? and how many times would you say that you have done this?

`Viking: I have never had a hook tear skin... I always take the precaution to grab enough skin to ensure a good hold. I have done this many many times..(over two years)..

`Viking: I will say this..

`Viking: I have never had a submissive ever call out a safeword on me. (a flesh tear in that scenario would cause a safeword to be called). I pride myself on NOT having it happen

`Viking: done

Suthrnldy: GA Chaos

Chaosmstr: As another sadist.. it's quite the mental enjoyment to see another in pain (at their request even) by your hands. Other aspects are.. Gravy.. :> My opinion, of course.. other's may differ.

Chaosmstr: that was another answer for kimi.. :>

`Viking: Chaomstr indeed it is

Melanie`V: before I do another poem

Melanie`V: Laz, please comment

LLazarus: I want to see my slave asking me for the pain she is craving. It is what gets me going also her whimpers and screams of pain..

LLazarus: Another answer to kimi

Melanie`V: lol

Chaosmstr laughs

LLazarus: Done

LLazarus: Guess we are in consensus

Suthrnldy: Mel, pls go ahead w/your poem :o)

Melanie`V: Deathflower

They were creatures of the night.
doing what others couldn`t.
Masters of torture, information extraction,
body dismemberment and lastly, assasinations.
Paid executioners for the rulers of their time.
Each skilled in the ways of death.
In the mid 1600`s, the family name,
was synonymous with suffering.
When called to duty,..
They would leave in their wake,
a vulgar display of power.
Massive bodily dismemberment,
disembowelment, decapitations.
Carcasses strewn about without care.
The ground would be saturated.
Towns people would awaken to a horror
unsurpassed by anyone, or anything.
The rulers would use this image,
as a means of keeping people in line.
They were savage in their method.
Efficient killers. Sadistic in nature.
Raised from birth, to follow in their
family tradition.
The family participated as a whole.
Male and female alike.
Their forte` : Torture.
Slowly, deliberately and focused.
Nothing would stop the wrath,
once set in motion. Nothing.
Rest assured. If you were targeted,
You were eliminated. At all cost.
When they had completed their mission,
they left a flower, on every carcass.
Not just any flower, but one in particular.
A lily, The flower of Death.
Pinned into the chest of the dead.
The family, was known as
Di Giglio (Of Lillies).
The tradition, lives. To this day.
Sadistic without a trace of compassion.
Using the flesh of his subjects,
as an artist would canvass.
Your suffering,..
your screams,..
your tears,..
All his joy.
Choose the path that leads to him,
and nothing will save you,
from that which you chose.

Melanie`V: Michael 10.26.97

Melanie`V: This is Viking's true family history, he wrote the poem about his ancestors

Melanie`V: so he's from a long line of Sadists

Basic Viking Hook Procedure from Melanie's View

Contrary to popular belief, Viking doesn't just stick hooks in and laugh evilly. (okay he does smile at least)

The area is cleansed repeatedly with alcohol, after the suspension ropes have been put in place.

At Hellfire, we use the front room, where there are eyehooks in the ceiling. Viking uses Pennington forceps after finding what area of skin on the back he wants to go through.

With the skin held by the Pennington's, he puts antibacterial ointment on the area and on a sterile piercing needle (10g for anyone interested). The piercing needle is pushed into the skin (slow or fast, depends on how Sadistic he feels at the time) and then the forceps are removed.

**see top left picture on the webpage**

After all the needles are in place, each is replaced by a hook in the same manner as a permanent piercing. NOTE--He HAS gone without using the piercing needles and using just the hooks and rope to pull the hook completely into the skin, you are seeing Mr Nice Viking pictures.

The area of interest for me is when the hooks (which are already attached to the ropes) are pulled and the skin is pulled away from the back and I'm lifted to the tips of my toes.

Yes, he has pulled me up far enough that I basically wasn't standing on my own feet, which brings in the total fear factor. (Picture hooks in your back..trying to keep your feet on the ground and some big guy still pulling the rope through the pulley system above your head..the basic image is Oh My God, my flesh isn't going to hold me).

Basically until we work up to the actual suspension with 20 or LESS hooks (he opts for less..I plead the fifth), we are slowly building me up to that with healing as the major hindering factor.

Just for those of you wanting to know, weight limit for me is less than 125lbs...so he can use less hooks (I still plead the fifth). And no, I don't know how much I weigh right now, so please don't ask, I don't have a scale handy <g>....

Okay okay...ASK your questions....V & m

Melanie`V: :o)

Melanie`V: go go

sassysub: how would you explain this if/when anyone ever asks her, i.e., her doctor, the police, etc.

Melanie`V: not all of it heh

Melanie`V: uhm, as for the police...fuck off, it's none of your business

`Viking: skeeter bites?

sassysub smiles

Melanie`V: my dr. - I dunno, haven't thought of it, but I wouldn't go to a dr that isn't open to my involvement in BDSM

Melanie`V: i'm not handing my money to someone that is going to try to declare me clinically insane :o)

Melanie`V: done

LLazarus: Applauds Melanie`V

sassysub: very well said, hon ;)

Melanie`V curtsy's

`Viking: there are scene friendly doctors

`Viking: done

Melanie`V: (don't think you'll see that again, I'm not gonna do it)

tanarria: Maybe a dumb question...but is there a lot of blood involved with this extensive of piercings?

fireNdark urges the crowd to look at the pix on the website now while we continue

MichaelW keeps a unit or two of Melanie's blood type in his medic bag just in case :)

`Viking: uhm.. amazingly,.. there is very little blood.. yes.. the blood flows sometimes.. BUT... hardly any when the needles and hooks are placed

`Viking: done

tanarria nods....amazing.....i can't wait to see it sometime..

tanarria: done.

ProvokeMe: Chaos.... you're next

Chaosmstr: aside from the wonderfull discussion going on here, how did I get volunteered by some of the women for this stuff???? :>~ who's next, cause I'm done..

Melanie`V: btw, off the question....There are hook pics and streaming videos of the hooks and Viking's flogging on the web, but you have to be willing to get a ticket to see it ..... www.insex.com

fireNdark laughs

Melanie`V: Chaos

Melanie`V: lol

`Viking: plug

`Viking: lol

dixie`: a ticket??

fireNdark: Mel....if I may, do you scar? (if this was asked already, sorry)

ProvokeMe: its a pay site dizie

Raven^: it's a paid site

ProvokeMe: dixie even... sorry

Melanie`V: lol

`Viking: rofl

Melanie`V: yeah....PAY to see it

Melanie`V: :o)

dixie` smiles..ok..thanks:)

Melanie`V: which btw, it is a cool site, but anyway

Melanie`V: fNd, I do scar

Melanie`V: small scars, but they can be seen especially since I have pale skin

ProvokeMe: pale?? <cough> LOL

Melanie`V: and I'm not running off to write anymore txts.....cause Viking and I prefer open question and answers

fireNdark: I say let's "free for all" this que

Melanie`V: yes, free for all <g>

Chaosmstr: how do you attach the rope to the hooks? oh.. fishhooks.. they have eyes on em.. never mind

Melanie`V: lol

l{D}ymmr: laughs at Chaomstr

fireNdark: sides....I'm still waiting on a date from Chaos for that PRINCELY session. LOL

Melanie`V: yeah, although we have had a problem with hooks that don't have the eyes totally closed

tinydancr would like to thank Viking and Melanie for their frankness and sharing this with everyone. (before the free for all hits :)

Melanie`V: we inspect MUCH closer now lol

Melanie`V: tiny********* <wink>

`Viking: lmfao tinydancr

Chaosmstr: soldering iron? that way you can make SURE their closed..

Melanie`V: Chaos, good thought

fireNdark: Melanie....are you both totaly sober when doing this??

Melanie`V: I only drink when given permission to do so :o)

Melanie`V: I admit to a benadryl once though

poenkitn: viking, did you train under someone to learn to do this...or natural talent coupled with trial and error

`Viking: I dont drink at all.

`Viking: I dont take any medication

`Viking: I simply meditate..my ailments away

`Viking: besides

`Viking: you dont want my brain compromised

Raven^ smiles

`Viking: poenkitn:

`Viking: I was trained as A Dominant when I was 16.. as for the flesh hooks.. I did this on a trial and error basis... AND..I tried them on me first

`Viking: I dont do anything to any of my submissives that I dont try out on me first

Melanie`V: (it would hinder him watching someone suffer hahaha)

tanarria smiles

tinydancr giggles

tanarria: lol

dixie`: lol

Melanie`V: I still want him to let me put one in his back, but for some reason (I don't know why) he won't let me!!!

fireNdark: LOL

Melanie`V: bye Kula!! see ya next wednesday at the site

anima`: How do you get trained as a dom at 16??

Melanie`V: (this wed)

anima` is amazed.

`Viking: well,.. anima.. I used to run a BBS system when I was a pirate/hacker. and some lovely lady happened on my system.. we began to speak.. she wanted to show me something.. the rest is history..for two years I trained with her. and her submissives

`Viking: done

Chaosmstr: Maybe that's why fNd wants a date with me.. to see if I can take it myself before I do it to HER...

TheKttN: if anyone wants to take a few mins to look at the pictures, the url is in the topic and you may have more questions.

fireNdark: Mel....that sounds like another topic in itself

Melanie`V: lol

fireNdark rubs her tatoo "it don't hurt dat bad, it don't hurt dat bad"

Raven^: Melanie can you describe the feeling as the hooks are being lifted?

MichaelW looks up :0) pirate, hacker

Melanie`V: for those of you who have permanent piercings.....if you tug on them occasionally you will understand a bit more than those ppl that don't have piercings

Raven^ tugs in all four spots

Melanie`V: the tug hurts, yet the fact that something is UNDER your skin literally feels very unique

dixie`: yeah..but i dont lift myself off the ground pulling on my earrings:))

Chaosmstr has 3 barbells.. so he understands.

tanarria wiggles her ears at silkie

Melanie`V: the sensation of the skin stretching, the pain from the entrance and exit points.. and the metal under the skin, is absolutely a wonderful mixture

^silkie^: ohh gee...thanks tan...

`Viking: <--14 piercings

`Viking: including my dick

Melanie`V: then add the fear that those hooks might not hold me like he wants them to..with as hard as he is tugging

ProvokeMe: TMI

^silkie^ hasn't ever been brave enough to ask THAT!

tanarria: lol

Melanie`V: earrings do NOT count

Melanie`V: I'm talking nipple, navel, genital piercings.....with thicker gauges

`Viking: tongues

`Viking: eyebrows

Raven^ smiles to Melanie "I ain't tugging at the earrings hon"

dixie`: aww comeon Mel..it hurt when they pierced em!! lol

Melanie`V: lol

ProvokeMe: LOL

Melanie`V: they aren't thick enough dixie

Melanie`V: the hooks are approximately 10g in size

Chaosmstr: dixie.. ears don't hurt anything like genital piercings.. ;>

dixie`: i'm sure of that Chaosmstr Sir:)...<shiver>

^elusive^: so what's next on your horizon, Viking? i know you're always looking for new instruments of torture ;)

`Viking: well.. first when I complete the suspension with melanie.. I will move on to a crucifixion.

`Viking: any volunteers?

tinydancr grinz

Melanie`V: lol

dixie` smiles sweetly...how bout axes?:))

Raven^ grins evily

MichaelW raises elusives hand for her

LLazarus: As far as piercings what about piercings thru breast tissue Viking any precautions or things to look for.?

^elusive^ puts on her parochial skirt and whistles innocently

Melanie`V: HEY SOMEONE ASK WHAT TYPE OF CRUCIFIXION

Melanie`V: he won't tell me!!

Melanie`V: lolol

ProvokeMe: LMAO

shanih: would you describe what would happen in a crucifixion please Sir?

tinydancr: lol

dixie`: what type of crucifixion??:))) there ya go Mel:))

ProvokeMe: there is a reason he won;t tell you

sassysub: WHAT TYPE OF CRUCIFIXION???

`Viking: well.. LLazarus.. when you say breast tissue.. do you mean nipples.. or the actual breast muscle itself?

ProvokeMe: or give you the keys to the car

Melanie`V: :o)

Melanie`V: thank you girls

dixie`: lol PM

ProvokeMe: vrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom.... Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeya

Melanie`V: hmm

`Viking: sassy... for that yuou will have to wait until the suspension is complete... but the crucifix is un beknowest to melanie.. already complete

Melanie`V: lag.....<scream>

sassysub: i think i could take some piercings as needles have never bothered me....but....iiiiiiii don't know about no hooks...again, thank goodness i'm overweight <no dieting for me anymore....yeeeaaahhh i have an excuse!!!!>

ProvokeMe: just means more hook sassy : ))

sassysub inches towards Viking...wanna whisper it to me??? i won't tell, i promise :)

^silkie^: Hey its NOT muscle...

`Viking: sassysub.. never think I cant devise a method to string you up

LLazarus: Muscle itself

dixie`: umm..yall..theres no muscle in the breasts..

tanarria giggles as she rubs her sore scalp ;)

sassysub notes the distance between NY and Alabama

Melanie`V: Laz, on a male or a fem?

^elusive^ grins.. i dunno... christ didn't have a preview.. i think a mere sub can wait for the live moment of truth ;)

fireNdark winces

LLazarus: Fem

`Viking: Planes go to Alabama.. last time I checked

^silkie^: its not muscle....<grin>

ProvokeMe: what do you call a pectoral di xie?

Chaosmstr: then why do they call it a hawiian muscle fuck?

LLazarus: size38dd

dixie`: you have to go pretty deep to hit the pects

sassysub: no Sir, we are backwoods here...ask Laz, Sir :o) we only do horses and bicycles

sassysub: and feet

Chaosmstr snickers

dixie`: is why we have to have boob lifts:)) no muscle to tone up:)

`Viking: then horses it is

sassysub thinks she ....crud...i told you where i live

Melanie`V: it's not muscle and for temp piercings, I don't know of any implications unless you hit a vein

`Viking: and if yer lucky..sassy..we can incorporate the horse into it

`Viking: lol

^silkie^: the pecs are deep....

^silkie^ takes her texts books out and stands behind dixie

dixie`: thanks silkie:)) anatomy was my favorite <G>

^silkie^: <---has disected breast tissue thank you very much <grin>

^silkie^: ok now I have to wiggle

^silkie^: love love have fun!

Melanie`V: yeah me too

^silkie^: leave the hooks to the experts....taht's my motto :)!

fireNdark is headed out......thanks again Melanie,Viking :))

Melanie`V: silk******

Melanie`V: lol

fireNdark: the rest of ya....BEHAVE!!! LOL

Melanie`V: thanks fNd, have a good night

LLazarus: So would not be a problem temp piercing her breast tissue thru the main of the breast?

Melanie`V: Laz, how big are the needles?

Melanie`V: Viking and I do our needles a bit different than most ppl

ProvokeMe: tire irons... : )

^elusive^: yeah... you like to wiggle em

Raven^ grins

LLazarus: Dunno yet gotta get a setup but wanted to learn a bit more about it other than what I had seen here and there..what do you reccomend

`Viking: Llazarus..test on YOU first

Melanie`V: we go parallel to the skin, directly under the skin....instead of just pushing the needle in at a 90% angle into the breast

`Viking: then venture to someone else.

Chaosmstr thinks that sish-ka-bob skewers (metal) would be good for main breast tissue temp piercings..

SirAgony: Excellent advice `Viking

LLazarus: I agree Viking and had planned on it.

Raven^ grins to Vikin

Raven^: Viking too

Melanie`V: instead of the one stick....it's two, plus going right under the skin is more painful than just straight into breast tissue

`Viking: as I mentioned earlier.. I dont do anything to anyone without trying it on me first

Raven^: yeah Bob tested it and now is hooked....he wants to cover me in them

Melanie`V: not literally though Raven unless he wants me to use some hooks on him <eg>

LLazarus: LOL well have been that way all of my scene life so aint a problem

ProvokeMe: how come that doesn;t surprise me Raven... LOL

Raven^ smiles to PM

Raven^: I don't know PM

ProvokeMe: <wink>

Melanie`V: LLazarus I can show you an example of how we do needles and how other ppl do it

LLazarus: Please

Raven^: but I have a phobia so I do the sticking now...currently seeking a live pin cusion

Chaosmstr: dammit.. I'm drawing a blank.. can anyone give me the name of one of the big piercing companies? I'm looking for a web site

poenkitn: hey Raven :Þ

Raven^ smiles to peta

`Viking: Chaosmstr.. are you looking for equiopment?

Raven^: poeta too

ProvokeMe: www.stickholesinme.com

tanarria giggles

Chaosmstr: well, equpiment, jewelery..

dixie`: lol

ProvokeMe: just kidding

poenkitn: The Gauntlet

Raven^: the Gauntlet

Chaosmstr: I been to one of the bigger places.. but I am drawing a blank on the name

Raven^: www.gauntlet.com

Raven^: www.pleasurablepiercings.com

poenkitn: www.gauntlet.com or www.goodart.com for jewelry

Chaosmstr: GAUNTLET!! thank you. :>

poenkitn remembers just typing that

Melanie`V: brb

Raven^ chuckles

tinydancr waves...thanks everybuddy and be well. :)

Chaosmstr: um.. pleasurablepiercings.com.. no DNS entry.

MindFul1: Thanks for the good discussion, everyone! I'm heading out.....

poenkitn: Night Ed

TheKttN: night Mindful1:)

Raven^: I'll look it up

MindFul1: night, poen, KttN :)

poenkitn: either the www.gauntlet.com or www.goodart.com are good addresses Chaosmstr

TheKttN: now that we can kick back *wave* poenkitn:)

Chaosmstr: yeah.. those I know. :>

Chaosmstr: thank you though!

poenkitn loves the continuous rings at goodart...and the riddlers :)

poenkitn: hey Kitn

^elusive^ yawns and stretches

^elusive^: next time i'm gonna set up a merchandising table here and make some cashola

Raven^: try this site for excellent piercing information

poenkitn: don't do that elusive, you will get me started

Raven^: www.faqs.org/faq/bodyart/piercing-faq/jewelry

poenkitn slumps down in her seat

^elusive^ smothers the yawn and her eyes tear up instead

Raven^: this site has links to literally all piercings sites and all faq questions you need answers to

poenkitn yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnns

poenkitn: if they are slow it is on my FAQ site as well

^elusive^: sorry poen.. i tried to curb it

TheKttN: Viking and Melanie, thank you every much for this evening:)

`Viking: anytime TK

poenkitn: http://members.xoom.com/poenkitn/main.html

Melanie`V: it's at www.best.com/~blkrose/needles.html

poenkitn: Chaos it is on the site I just pasted

Melanie`V: EXCEPT

Melanie`V: Viking's stuff is on the left

Melanie`V: NOT the right

Melanie`V: haha

Chaosmstr: thanx poen.. :.

Raven^ smiles to Melanie and Viking and applauds them

poenkitn is STILL gathering edgeplay FAQS.. anyone expert in something...CONTRIBUTE to rainbird@praxis.net

Raven^: I still owe you cupping info poen

Raven^ smiles

poenkitn: yep you do

Chaosmstr: Mel, are those needles on YOU or someone else?

Melanie`V: those are on someone else

`Viking: ok..I gotta get ready for work.. see everyone later

tanarria: bye Viking Sir

`Viking: thanks for having us

tanarria: :)

Raven^: good night everyone

Chaosmstr: thanx Viking.. :>

dixie` waves at MrVikingDude:)

TheKttN: thank you again Viking:)

`Viking: anytime

Melanie`V: ah, that is eris on the left, the aztec type of pic

`Viking: Chaormstr..we will talk.. as one Sadist to another :)

Raven^ smiles

Raven^: good night

Melanie`V: when I get Viking's site up....then there will be more pics of what he does

poenkitn: Bye Viking and thank you

Chaosmstr laughs

poenkitn dives for her bed before her hormoans wake up

poenkitn: night

Melanie`V: night everyone....am off to my other window