Flying or SubSpace
Speaker: marissa
March 23, 1997

marissa says Hello everyone thank you all for coming this evening.

<marissa> excuse my aliases some of them always say marissa says so bear with me..thanks

For those of you who do not know me, my name is marissa, i am a real life slave and have been in this lifestyle for over 7 years.

My talking to all of you this evening is about "Flying" or "Sub Space" ..Where the body and mind come together and takes you out of your body to a place i call "my Pleasure Zone" Alot of you have experienced this, or have heard of it. Some of you being new to this lifestyle have not yet heard what this is all about and are here to learn about it

marissa smiles and says What i am about to talk about is of course my own experience and my own personal opinion and as we all know everyones opinions are different. i am including everyone in this,Doms/Dommes, Masters/Mistresses, submissives/slaves. So if i just use the terms Master/slave, Doms/Dommes and submissives please don't take offense. *smile*

marissa says i would like to start of with a poem i wrote as to how i feel when i go to my Pleasure Zone, since this is a hard subject to talk about and also hard to explain maybe this will shed some light.

marissa smiles brightly..saying..

He is my Master, i am his slave
He owns me body, mind, soul and heart
i give him those things
Without question
Without limits
Without expectation
He is all things to me
i trust my Master completely with my gifts to him
For i know that Hewill guard them with his life
For i know i am precious to him
i refuse Him nothing
I give him everything
To Him i am his property
Hispossession
His cumwhore
His painwhore

marissa continues..The pain He gives me is excruciating It takes me outside my body Outside the pain To a pleasure zone i call my own i fly there As my body is marked my body feels the pain my ears hear the pain my mind feels the pleasure When it comes together i fly my Master makes me fly As my mind and body start to come down The pain returns my body hurts my body trembles my body is cold my voice is soft my eyes are lowered i am exhahalted

marissa says Flying is a difficult thing to achieve, only for thefact that your trust level has to be endless because you are not in any mindset to make decisions about your safety and or limits. Your Master must be able to read your mind, watch your body movements so very carefully to know what level you are at in your preset limits with him. That is why a match of Master/slave must come into play.The match has to be in the mind as whole

<marissa> The Master should always start slowly bringing the endorphins up with light pain..the right music is also very relaxing..making the slave want more..rubbing her body with your hands or a soft flannel cloth let her feel your love for her..letting her feel safe..feel trust..let her mind relax..the body will follow slowly

<marissa> The more relaxed the mind is the body fels the pleasure from the pain..there is no tension..the more and more the mind starts to relax the pain can increase

<marissa> the body feels like the pleasure from the pain wanting more to get to her state of grace..The Pleasure Zone

<marissa> Your own pleasure zone can be anything you wish it to be..you can see a beautiful blue sky..you can see a sunset..and it is like you are right there..your body if floating..you see yourself in this state of grace..you are conscious but you only feel pleasure

<marissa> Your body is alive your mind is at a peaceful state..when your mind and body come together that is your pleasure zone

<marissa> Once you hit it your mind starts to come back slowly..you can almost see yourself for example..i use the beach..as mine..i see myself laying on the beach..so relaxed..so peaceful..the beach is pleasurable therefore no pain..just relaxing pleasure

<marissa> when your mind starts to refocus you can see yourself leaving the beach..sunset..etc..floating back into reality..to the room where you started..whether it be a bedroom..livingroom..etc

<marissa> Some people will never achieve this state...you have to be able to let go completely to the other person..Not all Master's can bring their slaves to this point..

<marissa> it takes two people to achieve this not one..it is like being hypnotized..there are some people that cannot be hypnotized because their mind wont let them..therefore Pleasure Zone cannot be achieved for that person

<marissa> Now mind you..this also and remember this everyone's pain tolerance is different..everyone does not need the same amount of pain to reach the pleasure zone either

<marissa> it can be achieved with light to medium pain..it can also be achieved with extreme pain..only the Master's know their slaves and what they need

<marissa> There are also many dangers to this type of pleasure also..it can be highly dangerous for many people..who are just starting and think that they can achieve this..

Action: marissa smiles i will discuss all b ad points of flying..in part 2...

<marissa> going to take questions on the first half of my discussion..

<ARCHTYPE> wonderful marissa, thank you so much for allowing us to know you personally....

Action: marissa smiles thank you

<alyna`> We will now be taking questions for Marissa.....please use the ! and ? format.

<Elronnd> Aye.. was very helpful :)

<alyna`> GA: moghedien

<moghedien> how long had you been in the scene marissa, before you first experienced 'flying'

<marissa> 3 years moghedien

<moghedien> ahh

moghedien nods

<moghedien> thank you, that was all i wanted to know :)

<alyna`> GA: Randyvm

<Randyvm> Thanks marissa! Should there be much discussion between new Masters and slaves prior to having a scene such as you describe?

<marissa> absolutely..this cannot be rushed into anytime soon into a relationship..the trust has to be built up so high

<Randyvm> Trust ablsolutely, but also thelikes and dislikes of each other, right?

<marissa> oh yes but that should be talked about before even starting a relationship..that is why a match is so important

<Randyvm> Thanks, done.

<marissa> for instance Randy a Sadist cannot be Master to someone who has no tolerance to pain

<marissa> GA katillac

<ARCHTYPE> and never ever forget one simple word: love.

<Randyvm> absolutey love!!

<Randyvm> :)

<katillac> In view of your thinking about that, what about the submissive that gets her pleasure in simply enduring the pain to serve his needs?

<marissa> katillac that is also something that is needed by some slaves to please their Master's i know myself i get pleasure from enduring the pain my Master gives me.the pleasure zone is something that a Master wants to do for his slave

<marissa> bring her the type if pleasure she deserves

<katillac> So are you saying then that the pleasure zone can't be reached by a bottom with no pain tolerance?

<marissa> no i am not saying that at all..katillac..the pleasure zone can be achieved any way the slave gets pleasure

<marissa> whether it is mind control or pain

<marissa> can be light pain..can be tickling..

<LordWODEN> Pain is not hte gateway to Nirvana for all.

<marissa> absolutely LordWODEN as i stated this is my own opinion on the subject trying to include all

<katillac> I guess I was confused by the statement about the sadist not being able to master someone with no pain tolerance, but I'll pass on it. Thanks. : )

<marissa> but katillac that is true..a Sadist needs to administer pain..that is his nature so someone with no pain tolerance could not be matched with a Sadist

MtnSpirit sees it as a Master finding the right sub and a sub finding the right Master so these things can be comfortable to each when exploring the limit with each other

marissa agrees with MS completely

<katillac> A submissive could easily be matched with a sadist, and get her pleasure strictly from serving him by enduring the pain. It could be a great match... :::shrug:::

<MtnSpirit> thats where the open cominucation comes to play if we dont express our selfs we dont get the satisfaction we seek:)

<alyna`> GA: tchrspet

<tchrspet> marissa would you say this reaching hte pleasure zone could be equated to feeling "high" or stoned?? (I mean without drugs or

<marissa> yes it is a state of euphoria...mind is so relaxed almost unconcious

tchrspet smiles.. know just exactly the feeling :)

marissa smiles

<alyna`> GA: CatsKttN

<CatsKitN> i was just goint to ask..you mentioned that it's almost a hypnotic state and i was wondering if you ever felt you stated flying just from the sound or tone of his voice?

<marissa> voice has alot to do with it..feeling the soothing sound of his voice brings you to a safety level in your mind to let go...you can reach it from there...letting his voice take you where you need to go

<CatsKitN> *smiles* thanks...i was just curious since your example talked of pain.. thank marissa

<marissa> most welcome

<alyna`> GA: ARCHTYPE

<ARCHTYPE> a long one: its agreed and accepted that a D/S relationship, as with all relationships IS based upon LOVE and respect and compassion and friendship.....

<marissa> true

<ARCHTYPE> THAT should NOT be taken lightly or entereded into without LOTS of conversation and thought, whichever and whatever the likes and dislikes of BOTH parties are........

<marissa> true

<ARCHTYPE> Should it be found, as with me and Lil^bit, is should be cherisshed, not loked down upon...............and when i say love i mean to say LOVE, thanks.

<ARCHTYPE> THis relationship oriented activitity isnt really about sex..

<marissa> well love should never be said if it isnt meant

<marissa> love and respect should never be looked down upon in any relationship vanilla D/s friendship

<ARCHTYPE> thats all, thanks, i can never keeep quiet..<g>

<marissa> as i have always said..submission is a gift that is priceless

<ARCHTYPE> you are very correct marisssa, very

Action: marissa smiles

<marissa> Mindful1 did you have a question for me?

<MindFul1> marissa, do you consider yourself a masochist, and your master a sadist?

<marissa> yes i do Mindful1

<MindFul1> this sadomasochism is not integral to a D/s relationship, is it?

<marissa> no not at all...it can be with some relatinships but with mine no

<ARCHTYPE> read what i just said Mindful...

.<alyna`> GA: moghedien

<moghedien> so, what this 'flying' is ...is when your mind is so completely relaxed and at ease that with gradual warming up of pain (pleaure, whatever) that you lose all *conscious* thought and become one inbody and mind, kind of flowing?

<marissa> yes going to a place where your mind is so relaxed that all you feel is pleasure no matter what is happening to your body

<moghedien> that was my question for

<dimi^> First, I want to say thank you, marissa. I'm finding this all very imformative.

<dimi^> My question...

<marissa> most welcome dimi

<dimi^> Rather than reaching "another world", do you ever obtain the same sense of euphoria by becoming acutely aware of your surroundings, *all* of your senses heightened, or by focusing on and experiencing the pain/pleasure itself? This is sometimes how *I* fly, though I never really thought to put the word "fly" to it.

<marissa> good point dimi..although when i fly i always go to a place...i never focus in on the pain..until i come back to reality...but that is something to to think about a new perspective of flying to heighten your senses..and focus in on pain..i like that dimi..

<marissa> a new way to go to that place...

<ARCHTYPE> and sometimes that place can be had with a kiss and just a touch......

<dimi^> Ah, I see. Sometimes I'm "lost" and sometimes I'm *totally* here. Guess I just never thought of it as "sub-space". Thank you, marissa. :)

<marissa> most welcome dimi hon

<marissa> i am going to continue with the second portion now..the Danger side of flying

<marissa> it is not something to be taken lightly

<marissa> it may also scare the hell out of you..but both sides of this have to be seen..

<marissa> When the slave lets her mind go...she has no sense of limit..no sense of pain

<marissa> this is where trust comes into play...the Master has to know the extent of her limits..not expand them at this time...for instance

<marissa> if the slave can take 20 swats of the crop..and that is her limit...there is no way the Master should go further..most of the time the slave is hardly audible..therefore no safeword can be spoken..her mind is so relaxed she is not concentrating..

<marissa> this is her/his(don't mean to exclude anyone) pleasure zone..not a training course for her..not something that she cant recognize as too much

<marissa> that is why the Master's and slaves have to know each other so well..and no one should ever do this right away..it cannot be accomplished..someone could get hurt

<marissa> on a first meeting..never

<marissa> The Master has to know when his slave has had enough to get her there..and not go overboard

<marissa> if for instance..a slave with alot of training is with a Master who is new..and just starting out...the slave knows how to get to her pleasure zone but the new Master doesnt know when to stop...

<marissa> most of the time with me..i dont feel the pain until i come back down..so..if my Master did not know when to stop..i could be seriously injured..as i have stated before i am and most people are not audible

<marissa> Pleasure takes over where common sense was..so the Master has to be in control at all time

<marissa> he can never lose control...this cannot be accomplished if it is punishment pain..or NEVER when the Master is angry..this comes from love..

<marissa> when the Master..wants to see his slave reach that state..when he wants to bring her to euphoria..that can only come from love..care.. happiness and most of all TRUST

<marissa> This (andi know this will anger some people)but i am honest..cannot be achieved on irc or phone...i am sorry to say..as the Master can push the slave to hurt herself..and he is not there to bring her back.to comfort her..to make sure she is okay..that comes from touch..seeing the slaves eyes when she comes back knowing she is okay..and happy

<marissa> it is to fine of a line between really injuring someone and bringing them to euphoria..whether it is pain..or mind control

<marissa> so please everyone think before you try this..make sure you dont cross the line..always think of the slave first at this time..

<marissa> if you are unsure about anything about this type of thing dont do it..dont try it...read about it..talk to people who have done it and been there

<marissa> there is a chapter on this in the book screw the roses also..

<marissa> when your slave looks into her Master eyes..and the Master says do you trust me and the slave answers yes..dont screw with that..it could be her life when it comes to flying

Action: marissa thanks everyone...i will answer questions now...wait for alyna to queue

<alyna`> Thanks marissa : ) marissa is ready to take questions/comments again... please use the ? ! format.

<alyna`> GA: tchrspet

<marissa> did you have a question tchrspet?

<tchrspet> I wanted to ask about this flying, you say that it can't be achieved via phone or IRC, but I was wonring if you can get there without a touch?

<tchrspet> I know that for me I can get there over the phone but that is based on a strong relationship with my Master.. and it doens't have to do with the application of pain.

<marissa> sure you can..tchrspet..but you are mentally and physically exhausted when it is over..you need to go to that safe place whether it is your Master stroking your hair..holding your hands...laying inhis lap that is needed badly

<marissa> you can there there with mind control..no touch involved until it is over

<marissa> again my own personal opinion

<tchrspet> marissa, I know that for me.. if I needed pain to get to that point, then the phone wouldn't work or be safe..

<marissa> very true tchrspet agreed

<alyna`> GA: moghedien

<moghedien> k, two questions

<moghedien> first, what was that you said about a book?

<moghedien> and second, have you ever personally gone too far while flying?

<marissa> the book Screw the Roses..Send me the Thorns has a chapter on Flying

<moghedien> who wrote it?

moghedien grabs a pen

<marissa> no nothing bad has ever happened to me with flying

<marissa> i only can fly when my trust is endless with my Master he takes care of me

<marissa> getting the author now..go ahead with the next question

<alyna`> GA: dimi^

<dimi^> I think, sometimes, soothing words of love and caring can be at least a little bit of a replacement for the "loving touch" that is often necessary afterward. (IF a sub was able to "fly" over the phone just by following her dominants instructions). I used to be able to make *myself* get "lost" simply by standing under the burning hot water of the shower and not come down until the water cooled off.

<marissa> http://palace.com/rose/rose1.html is the website for thje book

<marissa> okay dimi..agreed i know i can fly with my Master over the phone ONLY because i have been with him and flew so i know how i come back...but i honestly again my own opinion dont think without meeting it cant be done over the phone or on irc

<dimi^> And... Do you find that over time, this pain/pleasure is somewhat like a drug; eventually you need more and more of it to obtain this state of euphoria/sub-space/flying?

<marissa> Philip Miler and Molly Devon wrote it thanks to minxx...*hug*

<minxx> welcome sis *hugs*

<marissa> oh yes dimi..you just want more and more...but the greatest thing is..only your Master can provide it so he can control it..is what i feel

<tchrspet> marissa: that is how I feel as well.. I don't think I could fly over the phone without having experienced it with him first

<marissa> absolutely tchrspet

<tchrspet> I mean person to person <s>

<dimi^> (ah, well - admissions of a masochist. sorry) :)

<marissa> yes

<tchrspet> ?

<marissa> dont be sorry dimi..i love all the questions and opinions

<dimi^> Thank you, marissa. :)

<alyna`> GA: tchrspet

<marissa> ,most welcome dimi

<tchrspet> ok.. I would like to know if you have ever achieved that space unexpectedly... you know neither of you expected you to get there at that particular moment?

<marissa> yes i have..and you can..and that is the most awesome feeling..it is not directed or expected just spontaneous

<tchrspet> yes marissa I know <s> I have done so and all I remember hearing in this *far away voice* was my Master saying "oh shit" as he caught me from hitting the floor

<marissa> see but he still had the control he didnt let you fall...good Master you have sweetie

<tchrspet> <giggle> yeah I was reaching up to give him a hug and a kiss.. <s>

<alyna`> GA: dimi^

<dimi^> Okay, being a masochist and recognizing that fact (without putting a word to it at that tender age) since I was 14 years old, I think it needs to be said that pain doesn't necessarily *have* to come from a Master in order for a sub to reach "sub-space". I have been "punishing" (I hate that term) myself for *years* and reaching my own euphoria.

<dimi^> And over the years (17 years), I find that I *can* give myself more and more without the aid of someone else. The *emotional* part is what I get from a dominant being involved.

<marissa> oh no i am not saying that the Master has to administer it all the time...but he can control it..i give myself pain at times too but i have never flown giving myself pain...i need it to be administered to me..and i need that safe place with my Master most of the time when i come back down

<alyna`> Thanks, marissa, for a wonderful, informative, and thought-provoking presentation!

<alyna`> We're going to open up the discussion now, and suspend the ! and ?protocol. Everyone is invited to join into the discussion freely :)

<marissa> most welcome alyna honey

Action: Syrass *starts* yabbering

<tchrspet> thank you marissa your presentation was very thought provoking

<marissa> lol Syrass

<marissa> most welcome tchrspet

<moghedien> i think ppl are confusing intense pleasure with the mind state of 'flying'

<TheKttN> yes, thank you soooooooooooo much marissa:)

<Randyvm> Thanks you very much, all of you, especially marissa!!!!

<marissa> why moghedien?

<tchrspet> moghedien: you find a difference?

Action: flower^ applauds marissa!!

<lil{AT}> that was really good marissa :)

marissa hugs KttN most welcome sweetie

marissa bows blushing thank you all

<moghedien> tcherspet, you bet :) i can find intense pleasure, but i have never reached an almost hypnotic mind state, except once...it is almost a meditative thing

<alyna`> i know the topic of books came up ... i do have a very informal compilation of BDSM type books i've seen referenced over the last couple of years, that i'd be happy to send to anyone who wanted it.

<marissa> thank you alyna wonderful

<tchrspet> moghedien: I suppose for me they go hand in hand.. the intense pleasure then the subspace

<moghedien> excellent talk marissa, i enjoyed it tremendously! and gained new insight also :)

<moghedien> ahh, lucky you tchrspet ;) for me it's very very hard to reachy

<marissa> subspace to me is euphoria...cannot be matched

<tchrspet> and sometimes, I go from regular to subspace without going thru the intense pleasure part

<moghedien> i guess i'm just never at peace enough

<MindFul1> thank you very much for sharing yourself, marissa

Action: marissa smiles thank you moghedien

<marissa> most welcome Mindful1

<marissa> takes alot to get hter moghedien...

<marissa> hter=there lol

<tchrspet> moghdien: it is someth ing that I find that comes unexpectedly most of the time

Action: moghedien agrees..the one time it happened to me i was not expecting it in the least..

<TheKttN> i know what you mean moghedien....i have so many questions i'm sorting through now...all good ones though:)

<tchrspet> moghdien: and it even surprises my Master a lot of the time..

<marissa> just please remember the dangers...dont forget those

<katillac> Thank you for presenting, marissa. And I really enjoyed the discussion aspect, too - the exchange of ideas.

<ARCHTYPE> if you really really know one another and LOVE one another, there never should be dangers.........

<tchrspet> marissa: IMHO the Dom and sub must have a strong bond for this to be successful

Action: moghedien disagrees

<marissa> yes no question tchrspet

<alyna`> oh, i think there are always the risk of dangers in any situation, regardless of how much love there is, and how well each other know each other.

<marissa> most welcome katillac

<moghedien> life *is* dangerous..emotionally

<moghedien> and otherwise

<moghedien> no matter how much you love somebody

<tchrspet> Archtype: but I know some people who scene together where love doesn't enter the picture.. and that is not to say they don't give a rip about each other

<Lord_Nihl> I think it crucial for the Dom and sub to be in an intimate relationship, anyway

<alyna`> i think as soon as one thinks there are no dangers, they have just stepped up the risk.

<moghedien> well put alyna! heheh

<Randyvm> Lord Nihl: Even on IRC??

LordWODEN is impressed . . . it uspports the belief that all pleasure come from the concert of ALL the senses . . . mind, body, and spirit. And that no two people are on precisely the same trip.

<LordWODEN> supports . . .

<tchrspet> alyna: agreed

<marissa> always a risk...if one is more experienced than the other...love does not conquer all in this type of scene

<ARCHTYPE> i know teachers pet, all i am giving is my opinion, and i have lots of very dear friends who take a different approach.....

<LordWODEN> The relationship must first be one of genuine caring and love to be MOST satisfactory for both parties.

<tchrspet> Archtype: for me love does play a MOST important factor in the relationship I have.. without it I couldn't submit

<marissa> true LordWODEN very true..but trust is most important to me

<ARCHTYPE> agreed, very muh so teachers pet

<LordWODEN> Trust comes with love . . . the depth of love is the breeding grounds of trust.

alyna` whispers to Randyvm "ummm maybe that's where netsex comes in"

<tchrspet> marissa: my Master is WAY more experienced than I am.. and that is what makes our relationship what it is.. but he is VERY patient and kind and loves to teach and guide.

Action: Randyvm is not really looking for netsex.

<marissa> that is important and that is where trust comes into play tchrspet.. he knows your body and your mind...that is most important

<alyna`> ah, but i think some people gain intimacy through it.

<Lord_Nihl> Randyyvm, yes, even on IRC

<tchrspet> LordWODEN: I would say love comes with trust.

<Randyvm> I am interested in establishing a deep, trusting relationship . .

<ARCHTYPE> bingo alyna!

<Randyvm> and exploring D/s

<Randyvm> but I am afraid about falling in love here.

<minxx> you can't truly fall in love until you have spent time together in real life...just not possible

<Randyvm> And I agree with you, alyna, one can certainly gain intimacy that way.

<minxx> in my opinion that is

<marissa> alot of hurt feelings sometimes Randy

<alyna`> the internet is both a blessing and a curse, IMO, provides the opportunity to meet people you wouldn't ordinarily...and gain closeness through the exchange of words ... yet on the other hand, provides the opportunity for great deception >and< misconception, as well.

<tchrspet> Randy: well you must think of IRC as a meeting place.. and not a place that you fall madly in love

<Randyvm> Right, mine and my subs.

<moghedien> but the net is a *very* good starting point sometimes minxx and things can het really intense..more intense than in rl, faster

<LordWODEN> There are many different aspects to love, Randy . . . being "in love" with somebody is not neccessarily the same thing as "having love" for somebody.

<Randyvm> I do not wish to hurt anyones feelings in this process.

<moghedien> bingo alyna..you seem to be stating all my points better than me tonight <g>

<Lord_Nihl> Love will happen when and where it will happen. One does not look for love. Love simply strikes. It does not matter where. It could be on here

<minxx> agreed moghedien....but the time spent together is the turning point

alyna` smiles

<tchrspet> Randy: but just as in r/l life's a gamble all the way around

<marissa> you can love someone on the net but to be in love with them is something different

<flower^> absolutely, marissa!

<LordWODEN> Randy . . . you need to be "up-front" in all your IRC relationships then . . . it won't stop aomebody from being hurt, but you have been honest, and should be able to proceed guilt free.

<Randyvm> Right, I appreciate all of the feedback.

<marissa> love comes easily...in love takes time

<Randyvm> Yes, LordWODEN, the honesty is perhaps the most important aspect.

<Randyvm> Especially in developing trust.

<minxx> definitely the most important part IMHO Randy :)

<Randyvm> Good point, marissa.

<PapaHem> i disgree marissa - i fall in love instaneously and it usually burns itself out - loving i find takes time, something that grows and prospers

<flower^> yes, exactly Papa.....loving is much different from being IN love

<Randyvm> I think that is matter of semantics, the idea is the same.

<marissa> yes that is what i said PapaHem love is easily found...being in love takes time

<PapaHem> loving takes work - loving is giving - a friend once told me, the problem we have is that "love" is not a noun, it is a verb - it is not something we have or find- it is something we DO

<marissa> i disagree...i love my mother i am not inlove with my mother

<minxx> i personally think we fall in lust when we first meet and the relationship develops from there....to none at all, to one of love, or to one of lasting (in) love

<PapaHem> LOL marissa - i payed my shrink 13K to tell me the opposite

<marissa> lol PapaHem....

<tchrspet> nite all thanks for the great discussion

<moghedien> nite tchrspet

<Randyvm> goodnight tchrspet, thanks to you also.

tchrspet hugs KttN and Mindful1 and waves to the rest..

<tchrspet> stay safe and well everyone

<MindFul1> Lord_Nihl, I disagree with you about love striking. For me, I know I must be clear about my values and what it is I seek in my life. When I'm clear about that, identifying a potential love partner is no longer chance.

<PapaHem> rogers & hammerstein said it best, "who can explain it? who can tell you why? fools offer reasons, wise me never try"

<MindFul1> night, tchrspet <s>

<marissa> good point Mindful1

<MindFul1> thanks, marissa

<PapaHem> .

marissa drops a pin...pingggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

<PapaHem> i think we are frozen

<Randyvm> thanks everyone, heading for #submission

<marissa> ohhhhhhh

<flower^> marissa.....i'll dcc this to you now, if you like

<marissa> sure thanks honey